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Poster: utopian Date: Mar 21, 2010 8:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

Day job
might as well
don't ease me in
Alabama getaway
tennesee jed
I will take you home
ship of fools
comes a time
high time
we can run
sailor- saint
Picasso moon
Casey jones

liberty (WTF!!) a f-ing travesty to the bands sensibility
last time
wave to the wind
and ALL of those Vince era tunes that I have not subjected myself to in the longest time

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Mar 21, 2010 9:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

whoa whoa whoa wHOa WHOA!

ship of fools? high time??? HIGH TIME???

you listed some others i really like also but those two are absolute GEMS imo.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 21, 2010 10:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

I don't know many of latter era tunes folks have picked, but agree with you on three counts: really like HTime (studio best though, only a few live ones pull it off); like SofFools, though a little out of my era, so not real familiar (but it was around during the time I was going to see them in mid 70s); and you nailed it for the ONE I'd just as soon not have ever heard: LLRain!

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 22, 2010 6:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

I don't hate LLR at all. I think the lyrics are a bit sappy but I thought it was cool that Jerry initially picked that tune for steel pedal work and it is one of the tunes that I think benefitted from Donna's presence.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2010 7:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

I can see those aspects being likable; I just can't get past Bob's approach to the song...that's all I hear (and I just mean "vocally"). I just don't think Bob is made for songs like that, if it makes any sense...probably not.

Oh, side note: I cringe at the DG/JJ comparison, though not sure you meant that--did you think of JJ's screams as in any way similar? Do you not like JJ? I do grant she could get tiresome after an hr or two, but I see little similarity between the the two: JJ was made for that kind of singing, while DG, if I may, was made for the stuff in K&D band/JGB efforts if I can be so bold as to pigeon hole Bob, JJ and DG as "singers" all in one thread...

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 22, 2010 8:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

No you understood me correctly, I think JJ could effectively sing like what was asked of DG in PITB etc. DG just doesn't have that kind of voice and it was unfortunate that she was asked to do that.

As for Bob's singing on LLR, maybe thats why I like it better as a duet with DG.

In the end, singing wasn't really the strength of the GD. This not to say that they were all bad singers just that it was apparently not their priority. If the vocals mattered that much they would not have let Phil that close to the mic (except for those few weeks in the fall of '70)? I was listening to 6-16-74 yesterday and he was loud and not good. Did I care? Not really. I guess they didn't either.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2010 8:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

Yes, and no on the singing...I think that the Work/Beauty efforts show that with effort, they could do very well, and yes, they had idiosyncratic voices, but meshed well...this is of course, why I prefer the early era cause it goes downhill from there. I would put them in the category of the Band or HWilliams or whomever: great voices, under the right circumstances...now, JBruce, could literally just "sing" (as all those that know singing around here tell me, MBalin was another one). Now, I am not saying in the sense of truly great singers, but in the SF sound, I'd put them (JB, MB) in the top, and the DEAD a good bit under, but only in the studio--way under live most of the time...

Not sure that makes must sense.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 22, 2010 9:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

ok - I'm with you on Balin, but you include Jack Bruce as part of the SF sound? What about David LaFlamme of IABD? He has a decent set of pipes I reckon.

Anyway, I agree that the Dead made a supreme (for them) effort to get it right in the studio but I do love the raggedy-ass enthusiasm they could bring to live performance. Listen to them belting it out on Rider for instance, all coming in at fractionally different times, no harmony at all, and somehow it just works exhilaratingly. Absolutely got to be early enough to have Phil in the mix though.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2010 9:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

No, my mistake there: just lumping JB as a 60s example with an inappropriate linkage to the comment about a general "lack" of SF sound "singers"...And, would give a nod at least toward DLFla. too.

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Poster: Grateful Rat Date: Mar 23, 2010 11:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

How about Dino Valente of QMS for the SF sound.. He sounded like Johnny Rivers on crack

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 22, 2010 7:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

Saying it benefitted from Donna, however, is sort of damning with faint praise, no?

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 22, 2010 7:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

No not at all, unless you hate Donna which I don't.. I think Donna was asked to do things that were not her strength (scream like Janis Joplin in PITB and GSET). Her voice was not strong enough to do that stuff but songs like LLR and TMNS were good fits for her and I think i both cases, the songs were worse once she left.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 22, 2010 7:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

I think she was usually much better with JGB, and listening to some of her gospel numbers I think that was her real calling. Some of those are so nice I'd actually like to hear more of what she did post-Dead. Her voice is lovely, she just shouldn't have been trying to do the shrieking rock star thing. On TMNS, she sometimes made a contribution, or at least managed not to ruin things. On PITB, well, that's a train wreck.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 22, 2010 7:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

Completely agree about JGB and the duets with Maria Muldaur like I'll Be With Thee. As for PITB it is my understanding that the band was looking for some kind of crescendo thing and the band (Jerry) asked her to do that. I actually don't have as much of a problem with it because its short and you can prepare yourself for the shock. I think her worst contribution was to Scarlet Begonias. All that moaning and wailing over the the jamming is just unnecessary. For a particularly heinous example check out the one from this otherwise excellent show. It's so bad it makes me laugh.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd74-05-19.sbd.clugston.6957.sbeok.shnf

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if I want to listen to some woman from the '70s moan over music I'll find a copy of Donna Summer's Love To Love You Baby. However I would rather just listen to this band play some great music.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 22, 2010 7:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

LOL totally agree, and it's not saying anything nice if the best we can say of certain contributions is, "It's ok 'cus you can prepare yourself for the shock" ... will check out the wailing in Scarlet later - I agree that was generally "unnecessary" at best and quite disturbing other times.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 22, 2010 7:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

I realise that chiming in here makes me sound like elbow's little helper, but I definitely prefer the Godchaux era Row Jimmys to the reggae-Rows that came later. Donna's vocals made for a good Row.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 22, 2010 9:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

elbow's little helper? Like that is such a terrible thing?

Actually you are elbow's very consistent little helper because I once posted about Donna's singing on a '76 version of Bertha that i referred to as girl-on-girl action and was looking for other examples and while I pretty much got beat up about the questionable title of the post, you were the only one who came up with another example and it was indeed Donna era Row Jimmy.

Speaking of Looks Like Rain, it appears that is what I should plan on for this week in London.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 22, 2010 7:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

Oh, interesting, I like the reggae-Row's better myself.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 22, 2010 7:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

Well, to be honest, to begin with so did I. My first exposure to a reggae Row was on Dozin' at the Knick (back in the long ago days before the internet spilled its cornucopia at my feet) and I loved it. But further listening bent my ear to hear the tune as performed in the 70s, and I grew to love that instead.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2010 7:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

Don't make me bring it up again...just don't! OK, I will: I actually agree--HOWEVER, just goes to show you can't make some people happy...the RJim tune with Donna on the Wint73 Boxed set was one I trotted out to show my wife (she's a DEFN "Donna hater" believe me), and before it was half way thru, she chimes in "see? I told you this woman CANNOT sing!...she's completely off tune!". I was dumbfounded. Now, in the little woman's defense ("mine"), she was/is a singer, and I am not, and I cannot tell if Donna is "right" or not in RJim, but as always, I know what I like and I liked it...anyhow...I just can't win with Donna around this house...trust, I did NOT win the ensuing argument (I also bring this up to win a few pts with folks round here that think I can't defend Donna now and again...did I?).

I restrict my "donna hating" (notice I used littlecase "d") to the screams in PITB/GSET sorts of activities, and did like her on tunes like RJim or the times in K&D band or with JGB side projects...

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Mar 22, 2010 11:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

My musically inclined friends (3 of them) DESPISE Donnajeanne and Phil; by contrast they say Bob and Jerry don't always sound good, but they never sound BAD - at least they are always in the right key.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2010 11:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

Yep, though I love him to death, and with real studio help, he could "fit" in with Bob and Jerry, I think Phil defn isn't one of the "singers"...he sounds good on the harmonies in Work/Beauty, but RARELY does more than just adequate live...

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Mar 22, 2010 11:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

I've yet to hear a live Uncle Johns Band where Phil doesn't flat out blow it.

His bass playing is top notch though. Him and Jerry kept the 10+ minute jams interesting imo.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 22, 2010 7:52am
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I've been told in no uncertain terms by my perfect-pitch endowed daughter that I can't sing either. (Dad! You're FLAT!) And she has made much the same comment re Donna as Madame Tell ('oh dear, somebody can't sing ...). Such remarks make me mistrust my own ears, but I like what I like, I guess. (And I now restrict my singalong activities to those times when I have the house to myself.)

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Poster: roughyed Date: Mar 22, 2010 11:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

You don't sing like a Proclaimer do you?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 22, 2010 11:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

Only when the sun shines over Leith.

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Poster: roughyed Date: Mar 22, 2010 11:35am
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...which is more that this place.
I'm always conscious of possibly sounding flat like George Formby!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2010 8:01am
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Hmmm--damn, my wife might have been right on that one afterall; I guess it's like MS around here telling me about music...in my, and DG's defense, my view was on a harmony, if it just "fits in there" to my ear, how can it really be "off"...she insists there's a right and wrong way to do it though. I pointed out that in the Band, those guys don't sound like CSN&Y, and yet I love the sound, so, are they doing it "wrong"? to which she said, "often"...Anyhow, glad to know of yet another home and Forum situation that binds us old friend!

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Poster: GennyBenni Date: Mar 22, 2010 11:15am
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I've found that one surefire way to (seriously) depress myself is to try to get a gal to appreciate some of the weirder/less digestible aspects of the dead's music. I've rarely gotten lucky with it. Not that it's necessarily a gender thing... maybe I just need to date different women?

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Poster: GennyBenni Date: Mar 21, 2010 9:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Dead Tune?

whoah - you just listed a bunch of my favorite songs. sailor > saint? high time? comes a time? ship of fools? don't ease me in?

what did your parents do to you?!?!?!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 22, 2010 7:12am
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Really!!!

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Poster: utopian Date: Mar 21, 2010 9:39pm
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Yea I checked.....they still suck

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